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I have mentioned this elsewhere but would like to repeat my take on the Book of Mormon and try to get some comment from members of the Church of LDS.
Firstly I must say that I am convinced of the existence of civilizations before ours, and by "ours" I mean the whole span of recorded history from Sumer to the present day. I think the myths and legends that recount the doings of the "gods" are accounts of events that happened in those pre-existing civilizations. I believe they had advanced technologies that are refered to in the ancient tales (the flying vimanas of Hindu literature for example). So I had that mind-set when I read the Book of Mormon. I found the following inexplicable technologies:
1. Holgraphic projections/records - read the account of the "angel" appearing to Smith.
2. Submarines -
3.Mobile phone/text messaging/satelite navigation technology - the device given by God to guide them on their travels, on which they received messages from on high and directions.
4. Electric Light bulbs illuminated by "the power of god" so they could see in the submarines.
5. Computer discs - the plates on which the texts were stored
6. Computing devices - the Umin and Thurin (I think that's spelt correctly) that were needed to decipher the plates (my computer is 'ummin away to itself at the moment).

Something very strange was going on. I would like some comment on these (possibly very daft) ideas.

every time i talk about this subject i seem to make someone upset .i have been reluctant to reply to your very interesting ideas , please try to under stand this is hard for me to talk about .i am by no means a scholar in these subjects .please be advised that you will not be getting a blind faith answer from me about this .it is almost impossible to keep the story of the book separate from the faith of the religion. the two go hand in hand when you grow up with it . please everyone try to understand where i am coming from with this . when i use words like "IF" wherever this topic goes it is not to cast doubt on the LDS church, it is because i do not KNOW. o don't get me wrong i want to know , but i would very much like it to be a matter of fact and not a matter of faith.. please don't be offended by my own uncertainty on this subject matter , it is my short comings and not anyone else fault . there are a great many treasures referenced in the book, i believe the light bulbs you are referring to are suppose to be 17 stones forged by the brother of Jared and touched by the hand of God. they were suppose to provide both heat and light on the boats you have referenced as submarines.... now i am sure if i don't get details of the story right there are many people here with a vast knowledge to correct me . now for the if part and please remember what i said about if . if that happened what a treasure even one of those stones would be , light bulbs ????, i would think something like that might be more like cold fusion ya know , but i am a little twisted in the sciences any way... as for things like holographic projections , hmmmm if the GOD of heaven came to this earth and spoke to a man and an angle gave that man a gold book, then i don't think that could be so easily explained by a holographic projection... and o man i want to KNOW the answer to that one, not just tell people i know, but KNOW if that happened. another subject you have touched upon is the liahona . from the description given of its function and purpose and the claims it did not guide so well when the people misbehaved , it does not sound like any cell phone GPS or text message device i have seen yet . my phone don't lead to any treasure ,well not unless i call home to talk to my kids....as for the plates ya i believe in the existence of ancient writing on metal plates, but i don't think they were computer discs... sorry to many witnesses about to many metallic writing to doubt that one ...you see a great many treasure stories evolve around the history and in the book itself , but i still have questions that do not have answers and they will stay here with me until the day i find those answers one way or the other . sorry i am not what you asked for in a conversation but i told you this is hard for me to talk about. finaly the U and T was an ocular devise that is mentioned in other places besides LDS related doctrine ...something you look through . but the powers of the almighty are not to be tempted you know so i am going to stop right there and see if i get banned from the state for talking to you ,LOL just kidding i hope i don't get judged to harshly for using the word "if" in this topic . if i KNEW the truth of these things as a matter of fact ,I WOULD SCREEM IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS . and i think everyone that knows me , knows that i would .///bob

o I'm not knocking it , that one book is full of stories about the ancient inhabitants and treasures . metal bows , swords , armor , and it is suppose to have happened in this land . i am a treasure hunter and i really want to know . i want to know if it happened like that book says it did , and i am sorry i just can't take somebodies word for that . the truth is out there about these things . one way or the other and if it is possible , with the help of almighty god i will find those answers , someday , maybe , or maybe not . there are lots of variable in this quest , and lots of differing opinions about this proof of the ancients ,but i want the truth no matter what that truth might be .so far it has eluded me .....

man i dunno , i have heard these things explained in terms like this before . i have always thought that the proof about what is written may someday be found . although if proven , still many would not believe and by the same token if disproved somehow,[and again i said if ], those who believe firmly could not be swayed... there are things described in that book that are beyond comprehension , like for lack of a better word , telekinesis to the scientific mind . they say with God , nothing is impossible , and i feel that way to. but they also say the glory of God is intelligence and somehow we associate intelligence in this time with our own technology. that kind of thinking can at times be a double edge sword . i don't know how smart it was for man to build things like the hydrogen bomb. If God made all things on this earth then maybe these questions should be for him to answer, after all i am not in the position to say you are right or wrong . but i will continue to look for evidences of the ancient inhabitants of this land doing things , that i can't explain how they did, until the day i find some answers. if i ever find any records and ya i believe in the existence of records then i will have to let you know . what you are saying about ancient technologies has merit , because anything is possible i guess . but if it is true , the things that are written , i would have to guess that it is somehow beyond a technological explanation , something much greater perhaps. somebody with a better understanding of these things might want to step in here and say something ,because i told you this is kind of hard for me to talk about

that was a nice post ... i guess i am after that perfect knowledge thing , and maybe such a thing is impossible. o well , i have heard that a bumble bee isn't suppose to be able to fly , but nobody ever told the bumble bee that . thank you for sharing your personal story .it is a true testament of faith . may the good lord bless and keep you . live long and prosper.////bob