I was wondering if there is a specific rule to how deep a mine will be burried? On one of the projects I am currently involved in I have found a covered in
mine and have removed the overburden to a depth of 18 feet and was wondering if I have even made it half way. A forest fire has taken the trees I believe held
the symbols that would have determind the Depth in wich to dig and was wondering just how far a vertical shaft would be filled before its cleared???. Also on a
second site I have found and uncovered which is a horazontal shaft filled in I have removed aproxamatly 30 feet of over burdern and can see at least another 20
feet ahead with no end in sight. Any clues would be much apreciated. I havent been able to determine the depth in wich the mines are burried or I have missed
something some where the one thats horizontal is the 3rd pt of a very large triangle. Im guessing 120 to 150 feet apart in each angle of the triangle. Could
this determin the depth in which the mine is burried? I used a monument to find the mine. Sighting hole to be exact which showed me the entrance to the mine. I
believe this is a very important place possibly of great value. Each corner of the Triangle has a 7 foot by 7 foot square boulder and the mine is the 3rd pt.
of the triangle.
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How deep can a mine be filled in on purpose.
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Posts: 995 (10/10/08 7:09 AM) |
I don't know of anything that will tell you how much backfill is in a mine or tunnel. I know of at least one tunnel that was backfilled for 60 feet and
another that was close to that. It would be my opinion that there isn't a set rule on how much backfill to use. It would be my opinion that it would all be
up to what they were hiding and who was hiding it.
It's not what you look at, but what you see.
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Posts: 5 (10/10/08 2:10 PM) |
Thanks for the reply the vertical shaft I found using spanish markings along with a large heart symbol about 1 foot tall and a 9 pt. Flower symbol also 1 foot
tall wich seems to depict the terrain. so it may be a kings mine. It also has 2 entrances and I havent touched the 2nd entance yet would they possibly be
filled in the same depth?? I can post some the markings I couldnt decifer and maybe they will tell the depth these markings I have never seen in all my
searching. It may take me a little bit to get them I have to go back to the area to get the pics again. I will try to describe them the first symbol is to the
left at aproxamatly 5' 2" or 1 estado from the ground and is 2 - 1/2 diamonds stacked on each other to form a B type of symbol with the bottom 1/2
diamond having a line extended down the same distance as on side of the diamond . Next to it is a long curved line with 2 short horizontal lines wich makes the
top of it look simular to an F towards the bottom of curved line there is a longer line wich makes the symbol look like an E but curved back at the bottom of
the curved line there is a 90 degree right angle wich goes down and to the left from the right angle there is anther curved line wich goes the oppasit
direction with a fork in it at the end wich looks like an upside down Y with the v part of the Y close together any Ideas on this symbol??? and one other part
of the mystery I havent been able to figure out in the oppasite directoin 1 leage to the north there is a Triange of rocks on the side of the hill the 2 upper
boulders are sitting even with the ledge and the bottom one wich is white is in a circle of rocks and easily spotted. and what I believe is a compass rock at
the bottom of the hiil in a clearing. directly to the south of the 1st pt of the triange is a matching boulder at the same level apoxamatly 100ft between them
the measurment of all the sides of the triangle is = 77' and is the exact distance to the compase rock if you times the measurement by 3 . Any Ideas on
this one. I did follow the degrees of the long side of the triangle from the compass rock up to a lone ridge wich seems to have nothing no marks or sighns of a
burried shaft. This is very confusing as far as the Triangl of boulders go. Are there any Triangle experts out there????
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Posts: 157 (10/10/08 2:39 PM) |
Welcome to the forum Dupsounds Q. How deep can a mine be filled in on purpose. A. All the way to the top/front The Spanish/Jesuits believed that a mine was a "wound" in Mother Earth and when they were done..the healed the wound by filling in the mine..it also concealed the fact that there was a mine there. If a mine had valuable veins left to mine, they would hide the opening, death trap it..and come back later or some other expedition would..but in my experience a filled in mine was a worked out mine..better to look for the markers that would show the King Fifth cache.. A forest fire has taken the trees I believe held the symbols that would have determined the Depth in which to dig It is my experience that they did not leave this information..because they knew it was a worked out mine.Now that doesn't mean that they might have missed picking up a faulted vein that pinched out..modern detectors and such could find something valuable mineral there still..beware of 200 year old mine shafts..shifting earth, earth quakes rotted timbers make this a inadvertent death trap for the unwary and the inexperienced! CAUTION is ADVISED.! A final note..the vertical shaft you are digging MIGHT be the cache spot look carefully for any carved rocks that you might have uncovered on the way down..like a stone carved in the shape of a heart!. The triangle was laid out from the MINE..it was the only point on the triangle that was not "changable" the other two spots could be..so the vertical hole..MIGHT be the cache spot.I said might so please dont get your hopes up..even if it is the cache spot the Kings men could have come back and taken it..however... Photograph and look closely at the boulder that anchors the triangle spots - you will be looking for a date Check the Northern most boulder first then the most Southerly. Take pic between 11am and 1 pm..critical..then download them on your pc and zoom in and craw over the rocks like an ant. The 4 digit number might begin with at 18. just a guess but don't dig another shovel full of dirt until you have found the number. The burnt tree most likely would have had no information about the mine or cache unless they were Aspen at 6,000 ft or more or the trees were Old World Heritage Oaks! goldiver ps post you pics and we might be able to help you more.
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Posts: 1000 (10/10/08 2:52 PM) |
You may try looking at the other shaft or see if there is a pozo (air shaft) somewhere. The pozo won't be filled in as much as the main opening and may
only be covered by 2-8 feet of backfill. The poszo won't be very big, probably just a couple of feet across but it shouldn't be backfilled as much, may
even have a capstone on it a few feet in the ground that keeps the backfill from falling into the hole.
Photos would be nice.
It's not what you look at, but what you see.
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Posts: 7 (10/10/08 3:23 PM) |
I wiil need to get back to the spot hopfully tomorrow if the weather permitts me to. Its very high altitude 8241 ft. to be exact. I will take a pic of both
entrances they are only 8 ft apart and the one thay I am digging out has an air vent that extends about 15 ft. above the shaft its self and seems t be an cave
entrance I dont believe they tunneled it out maybe deep within. but it is however filled in quite some distance and the boulders that were removed were quite
large and now that the large boulders are removed there are smaller boulders easily removed mixed with dirt. and a lot of cave onix.
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Posts: 8 (10/10/08 3:44 PM) |
I dont have a photobucket accnt. yet if there is anyone I can send some pics to and get them posted I would greatly appreciate it. I do have a few that go with
this area. along with the Traingle of boulders. Thanks much
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Posts: 9 (10/10/08 3:49 PM) |
The entrance just to the left is aproxamatly 2 foot by 3 foot squared off. with what looks like a lightning bolt as part of the entrance and is pointing down.
the other has the air shaft or pozo going out the top above the entrance. Or maybe the left entrance is also a pozo.. Not sure hmmm.
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Posts: 10 (10/10/08 3:50 PM) |
one more the pic under my screen name is also in this area.
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goldiver wrote:If I had a mine and wasn't able to mine it out and had to leave it behind, THEN I would fill it in and hide it. Why in the world would you spend the time and effort to fill in a mine that has been worked out? I hope that's not a stupid question - I'm just trying to get into a Jesuit's frame of mind. |
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Posts: 158 (10/10/08 6:53 PM) |
Dub The pic in your avatar, translated to say " Follow me!" ...J21 ved asked... If I had a mine and wasn't able to mine it out and had to leave it behind, THEN I would fill it in and hide it. Why in the world would you spend the time and effort to fill in a mine that has been worked out? I hope that's not a stupid question - I'm just trying to get into a Jesuit's frame of mind. This was my first paragraph after I answered dub's question.... "The Spanish/Jesuits believed that a mine was a "wound" in Mother Earth and when they were done..the healed the wound by filling in the mine..it also concealed the fact that there was a mine there." Remember they had lots of Soldiers and Slaves for labor.. also taking the tailings and hiding them inside the mine would have hid the fact that any mining was done - further protecting the Kings Fifth most likely buried nearby! Also if they had a mine that was NOT worked out.then they would hide the entrance, and set a Death Trap at the front entrance, hide the Pozo and Death Trap that too. King Orders.. The fact the Dub is alive and typing..is proof that the mine is worked out..any minerals in there and a death trap boulder would have crushed him like a bug.. He would have become just one more "missing person" who didn't come back from a hike. At 8,000 feet likely he never would have been accidentally found. It is one thing to be treasure hunter,however,there are just No OLD Foolish Treasure Hunters!!! How ever Dub said something about a second entrance? No pics have posted as yet <---I know whyte eagle will post for you Dub..> dub said... "The entrance just to the left is approximately 2 foot by 3 foot squared off. with what looks like a lightning bolt as part of the entrance and is pointing down. the other has the air shaft or pozo going out the top above the entrance. Or maybe the left entrance is also a pozo.. Not sure hmmm." CAUTION IS ADVISED! This is the Classic Death Trap Symbol...you were lucky once Dub, dont press your luck..photo this entrance and let us all see it and maybe just maybe we can see the boulder with your name on it..before it sees you! goldiver "Fools rush in were angels fear to tread"
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Yes this is very true and I am very carfull especially at the entrance of any mine or cave. I do know not to be hasty. There is also a lightning bolt pointing
down next to one of the symbols as well. So if it is trapped it is most likely a floor trap that will be encountered once inside the mine or treasure site.
with the bolt positioned to the right of the entrance and on the markings suggets to me that it will be a foor trap an I should stay to the left at all cost.
correct me if im wrong. Also if its trapped then there should be somthing of value left behind. This place looks like a natural cave or fissure - inside is all
cave material onix dogtooth and also a large column that would have taken several hundred years to form as well as stelactits . As well the vertical shaft that
I found filled in , in another location but that one is four big rooms in befor its filled in. and inside the second room there are 3 very very large boulders
that have fallen from the ceiling. that could have been traps at one time. I will try to get up there tomorrow to get a pic of the entrance and the inside to
show the progress of this on the right side but I believe the main entrance is the one to the left wich hasnt been touched. We thought the pozo side would be
easier and much safer way to go but there has been several tons of fill removed. to a depth of 18Ft. its starting to narrow back down and the fill is becoming
smaller the deeper the depth. lots of the larger boulders have had to be broken up to be removed.
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Posts: 15 (10/10/08 8:37 PM) |
Here are a few pics of symbols that were very close to the mine and I still havent complete found the meanings. The one one the Giant pine is directly down
from the mine 40 Ft. I will add more but I need to take some of them again Its supposed to snow in the high elevations so I dont know if i will beable to get
there this is a very primitave road just to get close to the area.
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the pic above was found closer to the Triangle of boulders same area.
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To me this looks like a Rattle snake pointing down on the right. I will add my thoughts on these after hearing some feedback. Next picture is the Triangle of rocks the compass rock is at the level I am taking the pic but to my right at the bottom of the hill in line with the left side of the triangle. Wich is 43 degrees SW 13 Degrees NE with a combined measurment of all side equelling 77 Ft. if you times this by 3 wich is 231 Ft it is the exact distance to the compass rock |
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