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Argenta.thetreasuresofutah	New Bill on mining laws in 2009!	Lead	[-]
Posts: 60 (03/26/09 8:15 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None H.R. 699, The Hardrock Mining and Reclamation Act of 2009 is being introduced by Rahall which if passes as written, will end small scale mining in the U.S.A. And will impose new rules which will force large companies to close their mines and head for other countries. To read the article, go to www.icmj.com and read the article called, Rahall Proposes Bill to end all mining in the U.S.A. You don't need a subscription to read this article. Pull up the free articles listed on their site.
sanpet.thetreasuresofutah		#1	[-]
Posts: 235 (06/30/09 5:17 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Has that law been pased?
SilenceIsGolden	RIP Mining	#2	[-]
Posts: 5 (06/30/09 6:08 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I think small mining died a long time ago. With EPA naming PRP's for reclamation, the land and forest agencies requiring ever larger amounts of NEPA studies before work begins, the USDA Forest Service denying access easements and closing existing roads, and MSHA looking in more often, small miners have so many agencies governing their activity that one of them is bound to stop operations. Add to all that the moratorium on patents and the high costs of bonding and insurance and operations, there really is no reason to think of starting or buying a mine. Heck, we have multi-billion dollar transnational mining corporations that can't afford to mine in this country, no reason to think the average guy or gal can make a go of it. If you do succeed, you will get hit with numerous lawsuits as the courtroom mining begins, and everyone eventually runs into the NIMBY wall... Where I live in Colorado we ignore millions of dollars of gold ore laying around, it isn't worth the bother to pick it up when we can subdivide the land and turn it into tens of millions of dollars worth of condos. My house sits on a fairly rich gold placer, I have mineral rights but it isn't worth the hassle to try to mine it. Here the only mining that goes on is by huge companies on private property, and even that is dying. Anywhere that hasn't been hit with all the regulations and fees and enforcement is just a bit behind...they will catch up in time.
sanpet.thetreasuresofutah	mining	#3	[-]
Posts: 236 (07/01/09 4:20 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	SilenceIsGolden wrote: I think small mining died a long time ago. With EPA naming PRP's for reclamation, the land and forest agencies requiring ever larger amounts of NEPA studies before work begins, the USDA Forest Service denying access easements and closing existing roads, and MSHA looking in more often, small miners have so many agencies governing their activity that one of them is bound to stop operations. Add to all that the moratorium on patents and the high costs of bonding and insurance and operations, there really is no reason to think of starting or buying a mine. Heck, we have multi-billion dollar transnational mining corporations that can't afford to mine in this country, no reason to think the average guy or gal can make a go of it. If you do succeed, you will get hit with numerous lawsuits as the courtroom mining begins, and everyone eventually runs into the NIMBY wall... Where I live in Colorado we ignore millions of dollars of gold ore laying around, it isn't worth the bother to pick it up when we can subdivide the land and turn it into tens of millions of dollars worth of condos. My house sits on a fairly rich gold placer, I have mineral rights but it isn't worth the hassle to try to mine it. Here the only mining that goes on is by huge companies on private property, and even that is dying. Anywhere that hasn't been hit with all the regulations and fees and enforcement is just a bit behind...they will catch up in time. SIG-----===========I believe you are mostly right with what you said. At this time to start a new portal or a new coal mine the impact research study is going to be in the 10's of millions of $$$$$. Remember you have not even turned 1 tea spoon of dirt. I think that if you were to start a new coal mine you would probably be into it about 900 million $$$$$$$$$$$ For a hard rock mine to pay off it would be say maybe 10-15 million$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. If you were too start a hard rock mine for a hobby there are ways around all them $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
SilenceIsGolden	mining	#4	[-]
Posts: 6 (07/01/09 9:14 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Thanks sanpet, this is one topic that makes my blood boil lately. Here the state and feds have been working to also shut down all recreational and hobby mining for at least ten years. They have used eminent domain to take private property along gold-bearing rivers, and turned those placers into state parks. They then make it illegal to dredge, sluice, high-bank or even pan in those parks. Imagine, you can be fined just for dipping a gold-pan in a river on public land... The Forest Service has closed much of the forest here to overland travel except for hunting. You can still stake a claim, but you can't take equipment or ore in or out except by foot or horseback...They have also made it illegal in many areas to camp outside of their "improved" (fee) campsites, so even if you have a claim, you can't camp on it. Add to that the fire danger, it is illegal most of the year to cook, light a fire, or run a gas engine in the woods of Colorado...and suddenly even hobby mining or prospecting legally becomes almost impossible. I smoke cigarettes, that right there is enough to get me a huge fine if I am on public lands... I love our public lands, I want to see them protected, but not by closing them. Mining has long been a valuable use of public land, but lately it seems Americans (many of whom never set foot in a National Forest) don't want mining or energy production of any sort going on. Hopefully future generations of voters will have more sense than current ones...
Argenta.thetreasuresofutah		#5	[-]
Posts: 83 (07/02/09 8:41 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Maybe the day will come when those who write all them blasted new laws will stop and think about where their comforts come from. The old saying of "If it's not grown, it's mined!", would be a good reminder to these nit-wits! My cousin, who works at a large coal mine, is always worried that the environmentalists will pass newer regulations to force an end to coal mining in America. He tells me that the recruiters are having a hard time trying to find young workers who want to be coal miners. Most of the crew he's with, including him, will be retiring in a few more years, and that to is a problem. Not just at this coal mine, but with a lot of businesses around America. America is the nation it is from the mines that supplied to it's greatness! With our steel mills disassembled and shipped to China, our greatness is soon to crumble! Heaven help us all!

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