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Larry KS |
HBB's blog |
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Boattow |
Re: HBB's blog | ||
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I find it interesting that HBB has a blog because I'm interested in reading what he has to say. Unfortunately he has always had a policy of talking only to people that he knows their name and address. That's too bad because the vast majority of treasure hunters don't want the publicity that he wants. I believe very few know who I am and I want to keep it that way for a long time. I could understand the policy if we were going to hunt together but not just to chat online or emails. I don't know any of your real names but that hasn't stopped me from learning from you.
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Larry KS |
HBB's blog | ||
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cosmowolff |
The Vanishing map of the Vanishing Wagon Train | ||
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Wow,
That map is really great. Seems like I seen it before. Must of fell out of my pocket down in Arkansas somewhere. Now that someone has decided to make it public information, I guess that I will fill in a few blanks that even the group dosent know. For one the 22 foot deep pit is filled to the top mostly with trash, Oxen bones and many French soldiers dead mens bones and has a finely cut granite sealed cap on it and is currently under 30 foot of water in a small glasier type lake. the cap/plug is set in a tappered hole at the top with spanish cement sealing the crack. I can be found less than 200 feet from a old gold mine to the east. The cap was cut by some of the best masons in the world at the time and at the bottom of the hole is another finely cut granite plug that has been notched into the sides of the hole and weighs in excess of 10 tons. It was easy to get down and never intended to come out but to be drilled or broken thru. The hole was stumboled upon a couple of years ago by an old timer from Alma, Colorado who accidently found one of the special markers buried in the ground and the decaying monument that it rested against. This marker can be calculated from one of the primary peaks called Weston Peak. Some of the other mountains in the area associated with this treasure is Mount Linclon, Mount Cameron, Mount Democrat, all just north west of Alma. The problems is the lake is located inside BLM land and is just south of Treasure Vault Mountain, Mosquito Peak and in line with Mosquito Pass, Mount Evans , Mount Sheridan, and Mount Sherman. All good Southern names. Weston peak is deffinatly an important peaks, there was four at one time but now make that three peaks as the one facing Leadville collaped in a hugh snow storm many years ago. So there are only three peaks left and Weston Peak is deffinaltly in the play as this is where the major survey work was shot from. Black was a favorite color of the Confederacy so look close for this clue. Its was Quantrill's favor color. You need to find the upright markers sticking 22 feet into the air and buried down 14 feet with a buried metal marker touching the upright showing you the right direction from the marker. Have your altimeter with you cause all of the markers are at the same altitude within a few feet facing eachother many miles away. the distances between the markers is equal so if you find two, draw your circle. You may not find the inner circle treasure but there a chance you might find some of the smaller outer circle diversionary treasures. The upright marker is wood and the horizonal buried marker is a steel piece of mining tie. Just beware if there is enought snow this location it will in all probability not be exposed until maybe late July or August and then only a very small window of oppurtunity will prevail. Over 23 men died from high altitude pneomonia during the burying of that treasure. There in the hole to. The lake may have a twist to it and then again it might be named after one of the James girls. Cosmo |
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cosmowolff |
The Brewer legacy | ||
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Well, well my old friend Bob Brewer has risen out of the ashes like the Phoenix of old to start to divulge the secrets of the KGC. Im really glad to see it Bob as the last time I heard from you, you chided me about giving out to much information publicly and proclaimed that you personally would take it all to the grave with you.
What happened Bob? Did you have an epiphany? Did the clouds open up and a dark angel strike at you and make you change your mind somehow? Or do you just want some glory and recognition? Oh Bob, what a guy. Let me address a few things that you mentioned in your new Blog referring to me and what I might have posted. I know a lot more about the Fort Tejon depository than I ever divulged to you. You know that you were one of the few people that I gave copies of those KGC (Dalton/Houk) maps to and if I remember right you gave me your word that you would never share those without my explicit permission. But now alas I see them all over the internet. The Ft. Tejon depository NEAR the old 300,000 acre Beale Ranch is very much still in place. It is also the location of the original rumor of the lost Spanish or padre mine in the same general vicinity. But you knew that Im sure as we discussed that at one time in an old trailer somewhere in the mountains of Arkansas. The Beale families were old world KGC and Confederate operatives for many generations, and it was passed down from father to son and were extremely active before, during and after the civil war. I know you also know that there was once a little known Spanish outpost in Texas that was also known as Fort Tejon and there is KGC depository associated with that place also, but thats really not important right now. If your referring to the Jefferson Davis Treasure in Texas buried inside the carved out cypress logs, buried and covered by a lake then that is something entirely different. Didnt I give you that map too? Boy your good. But lets get back to the KGC chart that you HAVE, that gives you the location to the old Grapevine Canyon. The old KGC sentinel there was named Black Bob and if you know anything about KGC codes then you would know that this site uses the Cold Springs Tombstone Code, which of course you never founding the cemetery down in old Cuddy Canyon. The key clue of course is located in the vicinity of SALT CREEK, some distance from Ft. Tejon. Unfortunately the treasure itself is located inside the National Forest Boundary like most KGC depositories and treasures. A great protection measure. I though I might also tell you that I am very familiar with the Hi Jolly monument in Quartzite and what is its true purpose., which has very little to do with a monument to one of several camel jockeys hired as camel tenders. By the way, the monument itself is a map, how its facing and the so called pipe is also much more than a pipe. I wont get into it as this area has taken on a new significance. You should know more than anyone that I know what I am talking about. I dont have to prove my expertise but most of all I dont have to sell any future books filled with information that I have gathered from other people research and data bases. Shame on you BOB. Many,many years ago when I first got into treasure hunting reseach, I was priviledged to meet a very famous treasure hunter in Amador, Calif. His name was Frank Fish and he found more treasure with a WW two mine detector than anybody since with all the modern mavels that we have today. As he told me once, listen close my boy, if a man really knows where treasure is hidden, he don't need to write books about it, he just needs to go get his shovel and dig it up. You just need someone to watch your back. Chose that person carefully. Hollow words from a great treasure hunter and a fine man who got shot in the back of the head with his own double barrel shot gun inside his own home. |
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Boattow |
Protection? | ||
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Cosmo,
Are you saying that the depositories that are on national land is the KGC's idea? It kind of reads that way in your post. I always thought the government grabbed it as that was the way the Government layed claim to it. Or is that what you mean, that the government protects it that way? Tell more if you don't mind. Thanks, Boattow |
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cosmowolff |
Re: Protection? | ||
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In a lot of cases, I really do beleive that.
But not in all. People might say, why would the U.S. Goverment just leave money in the ground and just prevent people from digging it up. Well, I think our government learned a valuable lesson at the national Fort Knoxx Depository, that rumor has it only contains the current US production of Gold and Silver. That is why we have what is known as a FIAT currency today. The current U.S. currency has no substancial real value or gold and silver backing it up. It is only a paper currency and is supported by the national economic structure and our industrial base, nothing more. No gold and no silver. When is the last time you ever seen a silver certificate? Not likely, as you would be able to redeem it for real silver. Only collectors items today my friend. Why, because thru the treachery of the privatly owned Federal Reseve Bank, our nations wealth (Gold & Silver) has been hauled out of this county to a small little town in Switzerland, called Basil. This is the base of the famous NOMES. Our national debit has been accumulating interest since Abraham Linclon was President and is never been paid down one cent. What good would it do if the US government spent loads of money extracting and removing the depositories and do what with it? Kindly ship it all over the Basil, to pay down our national debit. I don't think so. There is always a chance that world events will change in the future and the powers that be could possibly change at some point. So the U.S. Government as well as the Internationalist all know that the money exists. After all it was all removed, mined and extracted from the national mines over the years. What could be a good plan to protect it. Easy throw a fence up around the hugh area, give it a national designation, have the U.S. forest service protect it and let it stay until needed. I don;t know if I told this story but just recently in the California desert on the way to Vegas, was a very famous dead volcano crater. Unknown to a lot of people was the fact that inside the crater bottom the KGC had stashed, located and moved a very large gold shipment from a old mine in Death Valley it controlled and hid it well in a tunnel under the crater floor. Well, some time in the past few years a mining company claimed that there was substancial amount of gold and silver contained inside the old lava inside the crater and contracted to haul out the lava and process it for its preasious metal value. Which it proceeded to do. One day a hermit TR friend of mine that lived near the site called me and said that after months of truckload after truckload leaving the site, a hugh group of multi blade helicopters landed inside the crater and he went to investigate only to find it well secured and guarded by some men with heavy foreign accents. He said I don;t know what they were doing there but that day they loaded and hauled something out of that place by helicopters. The site was abandoned within a few days. If its protected, why not leave it until you need it, then go get it. My great grandfather after the depression built a religous monument in his back yard. He was alway digging and building fountains and planting flowers but little did any of us know that what he was doing was maintaining his post depression POSTHOLE BANK in his back yard. Another secret treasure tale? Who knows? Cosmo |
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2late2dig |
"wolf" map blog | ||
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Since I think this blog is just another way of gleaning information I will pose a few questions for HBB. He seams to be reading this forum so I'm sure he wouldn't mind answering them either here or on his blog. The IC that you said stood for indian camp does not appear as that on the original map, so how do you explain this? The morning star map that you used in conjunction with the copper is actually a stand alone map that was carved on a rock and hidden in a tree. I and others have found the area this map goes to and the markers are there. This map lead to twenty 20 pound gold bars. A number of marks that are on the map you used are not on the original so how would this throw you off? Can you explain why a number of symbols used on the map were found in an area other than what you say it goes to? The one question I really want to know the answer to is how did Michael get a safe full of heavy coins out of the ground without digging a big hole around it? In your book you state the hole was the size and shape of a safe, but if anyone has ever tried to get an object that is buried out of the ground knows that you'd have to dig around that object to get it free. You just don't pull a heavy safe out of the ground by grabbing the top and yanking. These are just a few of the questions I have, but since I'm not a guru maybe I'm just mistaken. As a side note you might want to research where the Dona Anna Trail actually ran.
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Alechydell |
"you should'a read the book" | ||
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Hillbilly, I read your book and I have a couple of questions. First off, why dont you answer the questions 2late posted? It seems you are using your new blog just to attack people instead of sharing your alleged wisdom. That and the fact you appear to be baiting people into giving you their info. It doesnt look like you really need that boat to do your fishing.
About the copper map a.k.a. the wolf map, why would you intentionally try to mislead people by putting a picture of a marked up map in your book without telling the readers it wasnt the actual map? THIS ISN'T THE ACTUAL MAP. It's been doctored so much that it wouldn't even pass for a bad copy of the map. And since when is a sun, a radiant sun in your words, a KGC marker? I dont think you really know who made this map and without knowing that you cant decipher the map properly. You end up making up crap like you have been just to make things fit. I have several more questions about how you supposedly deciphered this map but I will just start with these few first because I really dont think youre going to answer them or any others so I dont want to waist everybodys time reading a long post. Oh yea, one more thing, just how did those good ol boys from the KGC get those multi-ton boulders into that death trap? Did they have the powers of levitation? |
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cosmowolff |
The Real Truth | ||
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Lets face it guys here's the real truth The Treasure Hall of Fame Rooster: Carl Von Muller Frank Fish Thomas Probert J.Frank Dobie Homer Croy R.D. Paine Sims Ely Leland Lovelace Bob "Hill Billy" Brewer FAME SWEET FAME |
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Alechydell |
come on Bob........ | ||
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Well so much for no bull and sharing info I guess. Just because you get a couple of e-mails disagreeing with you means you wont post on your own blog??? I thought you had to be older than 12 to retire.
As for the map, I was talking about the wolf map you pictured in your book, not the map on your blog. I thought I was pretty clear about that but maybe you just dont want to understand because then you would have to answer the questions. The map in your book is not a copy of the actual copper map. It has been doctored and marked on to the point of being useless to anybody. Why not use a good copy of the map in your book instead of a trashed copy like you did? You could have even used a copy posted on the Internet by Dwight and it would have been better than what you used. You didnt even state in the book that it wasnt a copy of the actual map. That makes it intentional deception. What else in your book is intentional deception? As for proving you wrong, I could point out some very obvious problems with the way you describe how you deciphered the map in your book but that would just upset you and be picking at straws. The best way to prove it is to decipher the map correctly and make the recoveries. A couple of us are working on this and will be glad to share once we are done. Why dont you just post on the forum since you apparently read it every day? Is it safer to hide behind your blog where people cant respond without going through you first? |
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2late2dig |
Re: come on Bob........ | ||
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Bob,
I posted before that the IC you are using in your book as indian camp isn't an IC at all. I have a copy of the original map and I can assure you that what I say is true. I'm not a forum jockey as you say. I am very active in the field as well as researching various other avenues. What you have stated in your book was speculation as there was no proof that Griffith unearthed any cache from the area you say the map leads to. The Dona Anna trail didn't run through the area you show. You can contact the Oklahoma Historical society to verify this if you like. I also have copies of the original 1873 survey plats to prove this as well. Answering your questions that you posted would be simple enough, but it seems you are fishing for clues on how to work the map. That answer is easy enough. Get into the right area and find what few markers are still on the ground. Good fortune has smiled on me as I have been able to compile decades of others work on put the pieces that are missing together with what is still there. I given the area the morning star map goes to for those who have asked. Just write and I'll be glad to give it to you as well, so you can try to prove me wrong. |
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2late2dig |
Dang, Bob! Wrong Again! | ||
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Bob,
If you're using the that map on your blog as your proof the Dona Anna trail was near Addington then your wrong. I checked the original 1872 survey plat and the only trail next to Addington was the Abilene Cattle Trail. These survey plats show all trails including wagon roads and indian foot paths at the time of the survey. I'd say the survey plats and Oklahoma Historical Society are more accurate than your cheap novelty map. For those who would like to see this for yourself please go to the blm's website and look up surveys for the state of Oklahoma and it will give you the originals. You'll need to look for 4S and 6 & 7W. This is the area around Addington and east. You'll need to better than that Bob. Like I said before I'm a serious hunter and not an armchair forum jockey. I think you'll find that I'm honest as well and don't have any need to bs the general public. Those who have had any dealings with me can attest to this. Can you say the same? Please feel free to respond here or let me know how to respond on your blog and I can show your bloggers I know what I'm talking about. |
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2late2dig |
One more question | ||
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Bob,
When was I wrong the first time to be wrong again? Come on down and I'll walk you out to the morning star map location and you'll see that it's nowhere near Addington, but it's not far from where the map was found. Can you tell the folks where that was Bob? Maybe you can tell the people which of the marks on the copper"wolf" map were left accidently by an ink pen? How about telling them about the markings that aren't on your copy of the map but are on the original. I'd say these things are important in deciphering the map correctly. You might also try and explain why symbols from the map are in a certain location that not anywhere near Addington. These included the NRS, 500 = ?, the two legged R, and a number of others. I'm not picking at straws nor am I jealous of you incorrect deciphering of the map. I doubt Alec is either. I just call them as I see them. No hard feelings by the way. I do respect what you've done for treasure hunting even if I don't agree with all you say. |
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2late2dig |
book | ||
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Bob,
I bought a copy of your book off of ebay. I enjoyed reading it. It's funny though. I found the boulders, the foot, the markers at 22 paces, the spring and I know what the building with the flag is and it's not Fort Sill as some may think. I am also the first one to bring up the fact that the map leads to twenty, 20 pound gold bars. These would have been carried on three jacks. I also know where the map was found. I'd still like to know how to post on your blog. It's a bit unfair that you can take shots at me without me being able to freely reply. On this forum you can reply without being edited. Please jump in here and tell us forum jockeys how I'm wrong about what I'm saying. Simply saying look at the book, end of story isn't much proof you're right. I'll try and post the part of the map you claim says IC so that folks can see for themselves what I'm talking about. It just doesn't work the way you say. I'm not trying to be a smart a@# about this, but sometimes people can disagree with you and still be right. This is my neck of the woods, so I may have the homefield advantage on this one. I'm sure you have me beat in Arkansas. |
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2late2dig |
Houk's map | ||
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Bob,
You're not the only one with a copy of Houk's map. I've sent Whyte a copy to post as well as the small part of the map you say is an IC.. I could also send him the part you say is a 3 as well. The original map clearly shows this isn't a 3 hidden in the E. Let's see here the Houk map says the treasure is 50 miles south of Fort El Reno and 55 miles southwest of Oklahoma City. There seems to be one about the same distance northeast of El Reno as well, but the map doesn't put anything near Addington. Hmmm? Come on you should have known that wasn't the end of the story. |
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2late2dig |
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There's one other thing. You said on your blog that you added the eye to the "wolf" on the copper map. The eye is already there on the original. I can also show you a number of other topo map locations that look like the "wolf" as well, but none of them are the correct spot. One of them looks a whole lot more like the "wolf" than your Addington location, so I don't think a person could use that to judge the correct spot. Bob, could I respond on your blog without all of my replies being so heavily moderated that people wouldn't get to see the information like I post here? To make it fair you might show them how to find Whyte's forum so they can read this stuff for themselves.
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Whyte Eagle |
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Whyte Eagle |
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2late2dig |
IC | ||
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If you look at the part of the map posted that Bob says is an IC you will see that this is a dotted circle of which makes up the bottom portion of his C. Several of the dots have faded over the years but can still be made out. The back of what he is calling a C actually is part of the dashed line that runs through the circle and another small dash mark is touching it forming more of a V. The other pic is of a map from Orvis Lee Houk,Howk, Hawk, Jesse L. James, Jesse James III, or whatever name he may have used during his lifetime. This map, Bob is apparently using on his blog site to prove the location of the star map. I could be mistaken on this, either way the wording on the map would put the location in an area other than Addington. I really loved the "end of story" part.
I have posted on this forum pictures of the boulders that are on the star map. I have taken several of the forum members who have visited me to the site so they could freely look around as well. This is federal land and treasure hunting isn't allowed, but walking around and taking pictures is. If I wasn't sure of this site I wouldn't have made it an open invitation for people to visit and look for themselves. I'm always open for people to show me mistakes I have made. This is another way of learning. It feels a lot like a one sided conversation though since Bob has declined to respond on this forum even though it seems he is reading it. I wouldn't mind hearing what others think about the information I have posted here, so please jump in here and let me know what you think. |
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2late2dig |
monument hill | ||
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I have sent Whyte a couple of pis showing parts the original 1872 survey plats for the area around Addington. Due to the size of them I could only send parts but the whole plat can be viewed at the blm website. It clearly shows that the only two trails in the area are the Abilene Cattle/aka Chisolm Trail Trail and the Fort Sill to Fort Arbuckle road. There is no mention of the Dona Ana trail or M.O.O. trail as claimed by Bob. If anyone likes I can get a letter from our state historical society as well backing my claims. Bob, how am I doing so far in proving you wrong?
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