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kanabite	OK let me see if i got this straight	#61	[-]
Posts: 835 (06/01/08 9:48 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	now i am not a world historian, but let me see if i got this straight . Babylonia captures Jerusalem in a bout 600 BC . is that right ? then in 539 BC these guys capture Babylon ? http://www.iranchamber.com/history/cyrus/cyrus_charter.php . and then free the Jews . i am not really this stupid on some historical things but you got me on this stuff so please help me to get the pecking order in the regions right . thanks .///bob
kanabite	try this link it is better	#62	[-]
Posts: 836 (06/01/08 10:24 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	http://www.metmuseum.org/TOAH/hd/acha/hd_acha.htm maybe that is the queen of Sheba on the cup . I'll bet these guys ended up with lots of beautiful artifacts
Tnwoods	Lost Knowledge	#63	[-]
Posts: 69 (06/02/08 12:16 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	kanabite your take on it isn't wrong, I think. What we have been taught as history is wrong. I have learned that everything I was taught as a lad in school history wise - is horribly wrong! From the start to now. And I mean EVERYTHING! Math is the only thing I think they didn't lie about... and sometimes I'm not too sure about that either. Try doing "new math" with a fifth grader...LOL Ain't the way I was taught......... I enjoy the pictures. Nothing that I'll ever be chasing after - but I do enjoy the history lessons! And I do appreciate all the hard work involved. You all know so much more than I. I am humbled by your collective knowledge.
softy	Research	#64	[-]
Posts: 819 (06/03/08 12:53 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Hi kanabite, Stuff I simply googled up. Might add to the story. Jeannine Davis-Kimball, an American expert on the ancient peoples of Central Asia, said: "The cup is stunning, just stunning. The heraldic snakes relate to the iconography found in eastern Iran, especially during the early Elamite period." https://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4016077.ece The fascinating bronze snake with his human prey in his mouth (no. 47) is also a Middle Elamite work. Snakes abound in Elamite art, in reliefs, seals and bronzes, but this one is unique in displaying his half-swallowed meal. http://www.anaviangallery.com/ancient_iranian_preface.html The Sumerians migrated to the region of Ur most likely from the east, from the drying-up highlands of Iran, or possibly from the Indus Valley, to establish the first large city civilization. The origin of the Elamites of Southwest Iran is completely unclear. The Sumerian language is not related to any language spoken today. Elamite probably also bears no relation to living languages, but not enough of it is known to be certain. The cultural development or Sumer and Elam ran parallel. A script was in use in Elam (Kerman) simultaneous to the first pictorial writing in Ur (3000 B.C.). Temple structures in both areas had the same ziggurat form, the man-made mountain reminiscent of their highland origins. Many cultic and religious habits were the same throughout Mesopotamia; the snake cult of Elam however was distinct and foreign. The cultural development or Sumer and Elam ran parallel. the snake cult of Elam {I thought this was interesting} http://elamhistory.hyperduck.net/elam_mesopotamia.htm http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1022157/Grandson-rag-bone-man-discovers-Indiana-Jones-gold-cup-worth-500-000.html (:X
kanabite	hi softy and Tnwoods	#65	[-]
Posts: 839 (06/05/08 7:56 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	great links softy , thanks . serpent cult origins in one of those . not sure where they came from and all that . pagans making "stunning" treasure . wow!!!! , i have a lot of reading to do . and Tnwoods trust me i am dumber than a box of rocks but i have some very brilliant friends.
Tnwoods	Could you introduce me?	#66	[-]
Posts: 81 (06/05/08 9:20 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Because I think I make dumber than a box of rock look like Einstein! A box of rocks would be an intellectual step up for me!
kanabite	LOL	#67	[-]
Posts: 840 (06/06/08 7:59 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	you crack me up .....
softy	more reading	#68	[-]
Posts: 836 (06/06/08 9:14 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Hey guys, I is dumber than the dirt that is on the rocks that is in the box. If it wasn't for Google I wouldn't know nothing at all. You cans google too if you has a computer with an internet connection. Does anyone here have a computer with an internet connection? I found this of interest. ELAM, pronounced e-lum, has a long and proud history. The name dates back to the days of Noah, whose grandson was named ELAM. From him, his offspring and followers, the ELAMITES, emerged into the great nation of ELAM, which is now modern day Iran. ELAM and the ELAMITES were a strong and powerful nation. Their rule lasted for nearly 5000 years. http://elamhistory.hyperduck.net/index.htm Elam In The Bible http://elamhistory.hyperduck.net/in_the_bible.htm (:X
Lady Sicily	I may have missed the boat on this post but......	#69	[-]
Posts: 158 (06/08/08 1:16 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I still have a theory. I think it represents the triumph of the "native" over the " European White Man". Just look at the figures....The figure on top of the horse, both figures.....the elongated forehead, the spear and the primitive style clothing. All characteristics of a "Native warrior". Now let us look at the man being trampled by the horse. The elongated chin - which to me represents "Royal Blood". Why - It is well known that one of the negative physical characteristics of in-breeding is the elongation of the chin. Most Royal families in many European countries married "within" thus many long chins in the historical royal family trees. The man is also clearly holding a sword, not a spear AND he is in what appears to be chain mail. In conclusion, much more than 50 words, if this is the helmet of a "Native" warrior...perhaps scenes of victory over the "white man" he was warring with at the time, engraved on his helmet, was a talisman for good luck. Like a modern day man wearing a white Sox hat to a ball game, I know men have their weird superstitions about stuff like that. Which would also lead one to believe that there had been previous contact with the "European white man" in order to be familiar enough with the characteristics to replicate them in this fashion. Just a theory. Lady Sicily If a thing must be done, it must be done with grace.
Black Deadrick		#70	[-]
Posts: 117 (06/08/08 5:17 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Don't feel bad Lady Sicily, I just barely checked this post out now myself. I was thinking along a different line. I am suprised that Whyte Eagle did'nt speculate this since he is a Latter Day Saint. Depending on your beliefs, there was another ancient people in America a long time ago. Some would call them Nephites and Lamanites. You would find out about them in the Book of Mormon. Some would liken them to native American Indians. These people came from the Middle Eastern countries long ago. They would have brought with them, these middle eastern/African cultures including art and living styles. I thought the guy on the horse looked similar to Egyptian.
Black Deadrick		#71	[-]
Posts: 118 (06/09/08 1:42 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	...by the way, my last comment was just a wild thought.
Tnwoods	??????	#72	[-]
Posts: 103 (06/09/08 2:00 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Am I the only fool (maybe) who doesn't know the Book of Mormon? Every time you folks reference it I am so lost - I was going to change my name to Lost a lot - but well that is already taken....... Well, I'm lost when you all talk about most things as well........But I am trying to learn! More reading in my future I see......
softy	Yepper	#73	[-]
Posts: 843 (06/10/08 12:57 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tnwoods wrote: Am I the only fool (maybe) who doesn't know the Book of Mormon? Yep, yous the only one what don't knows. Poor feller. (:X
Black Deadrick		#74	[-]
Posts: 120 (06/10/08 4:20 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I'll tell you what Tnwoods. When I have some time and are'nt so darned busy with work & stuff, I'll make a post somewhere on this site that explains a little bit about the LDS church. It's quite interesting. How do I know about it? I was an active member, even a high priest for about 12 years. I have only been inactive for the last 3 years. And the reason being, is not because I have anything against The Church. I think their church is awesome. People have a lot of misconceptions about Mormons. No, the reason for my inactivity is all me.
Lady Sicily		#75	[-]
Posts: 174 (06/13/08 5:47 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	TN Darlin', A good place to start is by researching Joseph Smith from Missouri. Knowing his story will not only help you to grasp the ideas behind the book later, but it will also help you see his and his church's connection to some or shall I say several of the topics on this board. Good Luck, have fun! Lady Sicily If a thing must be done, it must be done with grace.
Tnwoods	Ah - you called me darlin'	#76	[-]
Posts: 112 (06/16/08 1:40 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I am so touched (and not in the evil bad way...LOL) But you are kind of cute - so maybe....LMAO Really - I have a hard enough time trying to keep up with the Bible. Everyone seems to know all the "quotes". Well I don't! I am constantly looking stuff up to see what the heck everyone is talking about! As for the LDS - I really know nothing. I do want to learn - because I do think it is all tied in together.... but man am I a dumb SOB right now when it comes to it. And I really don't want to spend the next 10 years studying scripture to figure it out - I'll die of old age first! I need the readers digest version! A basic "what happened here".....don't know if I can get that though. I do know that Steve Young was the second best quarterback the 49's ever had (behind Montana) - but I am also originally from SF. That is my entire knowledge of LDS........Steve Young!.....LOL Some one please enlighten me.
Lady Sicily	OK TN! I have decided to	#77	[-]
Posts: 178 (06/16/08 5:29 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	help you even though you said I was only "kind of cute". LOL! Teasing you luv! Anyway....I have in the past looked at many web-sites for a bit of history of Joseph Smith. Now keep in mind I am not an LSD so my knowledge is limited. There are those here who are much more expert than I. However, I like researching stuff, so I can try to help from that angle anyway. So went back and looked through the things I have read and this one seemed the most informative while remaining brief, as I would hate for you to "die of old age" before you finished the article. I cannot vouch for absolute accuracy as I am not a member of that church. I am sure if anyone sees any discrepancies they can post a correction for me. One thing I know to be different in several articles is that in some they say he was visited by an angel and in this article they are more "specific as to origin" I guess you could say. Anyway here is a good start I think. Let me know if this helps or if you want more stuff. I can post or send it to you at your YUKU whatever...mailbox thingy. LS Joseph Smith 1805-1844 Born on December 23, 1805, in Sharon, Vermont, to Joseph and Lucy Mack Smith, Joseph Smith Jr. grew up on a series of tenant farms in Vermont, New Hampshire, and New York. Though in his youth Joseph was largely deprived of a formal education, he was "instructed in reading, writing, and the ground rules of arithmetic."¹ Joseph's mother said that he was often "given to meditation and deep study."² Affected by the great religious excitement taking place around his home in Manchester, New York, in 1820, fourteen-year-old Joseph was determined to know which of the many religions he should join. He encountered a passage in the Bible instructing any who lacked wisdom to "ask of God" (James 1:5). Early one morning in the spring of 1820, Joseph went to a secluded woods to ask God which church he should join. According to his account, while praying Joseph was visited by two "personages" who identified themselves as God the Father and Jesus Christ. He was told not to join any of the churches. In 1823, Joseph Smith said he was visited by an angel named Moroni, who told him of an ancient record containing God's dealings with the former inhabitants of the American continent. In 1827, Joseph retrieved this record, inscribed on thin golden plates, and shortly afterward began translating its words by the "gift of God."³ The resulting manuscript, the Book of Mormon, was published in March 1830. On April 6, 1830, Joseph Smith organized The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and became its first president. Joseph married Emma Hale on January 18, 1827, and was described as a loving and devoted husband. They had eleven children (two adopted), only five of whom lived past infancy. During the thirty-nine years of his life, Joseph established thriving cities in Ohio, Missouri, and Illinois; produced volumes of scripture; sent missionaries throughout the world; orchestrated the building of temples; served as mayor of Nauvoo, one of the largest cities in Illinois, and as general of its militia, the Nauvoo Legion; and was a candidate for the presidency of the United States. He was a controversial figure in American history-beloved of his followers and hated by his detractors. Joseph was persecuted much of his adult life and was killed along with his brother Hyrum by a mob in Carthage, Illinois, on June 27, 1844. If a thing must be done, it must be done with grace.
Tnwoods	Thanks	#78	[-]
Posts: 142 (06/27/08 8:05 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I just didn't want you to get a big head..... I will have to study up when I have some time - it is a pretty interesting story.
asimosdrakos		#79	[-]
Posts: 47 (07/29/08 1:57 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I recognised the image right away having been fascinated by the Sutton Hoo treasure since I was a child. I might be being a bit dense but aren't you guys missing something blindingly obvious...a North American Native/Indian on a horse on an artifact dating c800 ?? A quick Google produced this... (I only copied part of the article as it was mainly about dogs) AMERICAN INDIANS HAD PLENTY OF DOGS, BUT SPANIARDS INTRODUCED HORSES TO CONTINENT By Dallas Bogan Reprinted with Permission from Dallas Bogan. This article was published in the LaFollette Press. When the Spaniards first penetrated into the continent of North America the only domesticated animal found was the dog. Some western tribes assert that their ancestors had the horse long before the white man was seen, but it is more probable that the Indian pony long extensively used by the tribes on the plains is descended from the animals brought over by the Spaniards. When Cortez and DeSoto invaded the continent they found no horses, wild or domesticated. The Indians who had in South America domesticated the Llama, the alpaca and the dog, knew nothing of the horse and were astonished at the sight of the strange animals, which the strangers rode. The horses abandoned by DeSoto near the Texas border are believed to be the progenitors of all the wild horses of North America. These horses, running wild, flourished and increased greatly, showing how well the country was adapted to their needs." ...or will this be dismissed as another false writing of history. Also I see no reason why the images on the Sutton Hoo helmet do not reflect the European legacy of the Saxons, who travelled widely across the continent and might well have encountered other warrior tribes. The horsemen of Eastern Europe were notorious and the rider on the helmet could be Asian. They may well have met middle eastern traders and encountered the Gilgamesh legend. (On another topic thread I have pointed out the similarity between some recently discovered jewelry in Eastern Europe and the Gilgamesh image.) The anglo-saxon world was one of great knowledge and learning, despite the "dark ages" label that history has given the period. They were well versed in literature and the arts and there is a great deal of pagan imagery, serpents etc. even in their religous work like the Book of Kells.
asimosdrakos		#80	[-]
Posts: 48 (07/29/08 2:21 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I have mentioned this elsewhere but would like to repeat my take on the Book of Mormon and try to get some comment from members of the Church of LDS. Firstly I must say that I am convinced of the existence of civilizations before ours, and by "ours" I mean the whole span of recorded history from Sumer to the present day. I think the myths and legends that recount the doings of the "gods" are accounts of events that happened in those pre-existing civilizations. I believe they had advanced technologies that are refered to in the ancient tales (the flying vimanas of Hindu literature for example). So I had that mind-set when I read the Book of Mormon. I found the following inexplicable technologies: 1. Holgraphic projections/records - read the account of the "angel" appearing to Smith. 2. Submarines - 3.Mobile phone/text messaging/satelite navigation technology - the device given by God to guide them on their travels, on which they received messages from on high and directions. 4. Electric Light bulbs illuminated by "the power of god" so they could see in the submarines. 5. Computer discs - the plates on which the texts were stored 6. Computing devices - the Umin and Thurin (I think that's spelt correctly) that were needed to decipher the plates (my computer is 'ummin away to itself at the moment). Something very strange was going on. I would like some comment on these (possibly very daft) ideas.